TMH - Mpls/St. Paul are south of the area I questioned.
MrEos - That’s a good answer.
The Wisconsin Democrats are against the proposed mining in northern Wisconsin, even the unions are mad at them.
I’ll have to check see how that area voted in the recall election.
Mr. Garland does raise a lot of valid points, however he is a bit in fantasyland with some of his healthcare comments. American businesses are not being outpaced because of the lack of healthcare benefits. Especially not by Asian companies.
And poor working people showing up at the ER with stage 4 cancer because they can’t afford to go to the doctor? Please. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I’ll wager people are mauled by polar bears just as frequently.
Despite the fact that the Republican party is broken, the Democrats are certainly not the answer. Until we can all manage to focus on solutions rather than political parties this country is doomed. You know quite a few years ago I read about some Russian and his predictions for the future of the United States. He believed that the country would split and be divided into seven smaller nations. At the time I dismissed him as a loon. Now it kind of makes me think.
My girlfriend back in the 90’s got her masters in filmmaking. Her thesis film took place in a dystopian future America, kinda 1984-esque with The Screen being our official source of info and old relics like books and films being illegal, where the country had splintered into what is more or less the North, South, and West (North and South being east of the Mississippi sorta thing). I too thought it was a pretty silly idea at the time, but yeah, who knows.
Anyway, I don’t think that guy was saying the Democrats are good at all, didn’t he say he voted Libertarian and considers the Dems all about preserving a broken status quo? But he does make a pretty compelling case for the folly of the Republican Party, for them to not be able to even get his vote when he’s exactly the guy they should be going for. Then again, you could kinda see it in the immediate responses of people like Bill O’Reilly, where his first response before the election was even officially over was to say that America doesn’t belong to real Americans anymore and point the finger at non-whiteys. The message of racial hate and the whole “rape thing” are really how the party doomed itself. Pardon my language, but, only assholes can get behind that kinda message. And it was nice to see that there wasn’t an abundant enough supply of em to get the popular vote. Not that it rules that Obama won, at all, just that I’m really glad that the party that was pushing so hard on hatred didn’t win it.
I already solved the problem earlier in this thread, weren’t you paying attention!? Bill Basore in 2016. Just sayin!
And nobody caught my joke with the party name I came up with. I was really hoping someone would call me on it, as it was meant to be called on.
Is that a quote from Bill O’Reilly? I did not hear him say that.
Couple of Rep said stupid things.
What is the racial hate you’re refering to?
You mean Joe Biden’s, “There all gonna put you back in chains” comment.
And, I’m all for The Classic Cougar Community Party, and our nominee.
Yeah O’Reilly said that live on the air during Fox News’ election night coverage, in between Rove wetting his pants. My wife and I just turned to each other, like, “did he really just say that?” He said something like it’s not White America anymore. It was really out there, even for him. I’m sure the exact words are up on the net in a video or a written transcript.
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Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFcAzIWOHpU
I forgot he had that whole “people want stuff” nonsense in there too. Like that’s the reason Romney didn’t win. I don’t think it even had as much to do with Romney himself as it did with the rest of the party, actually. So many people saying so many things that were really offensive to most of the country.
As much as O’Reilly can be a douche the fact of the matter is this is spot on. People vote for the candidate that promises them more. Was that the deciding factor in Obama being elected. Maybe, maybe not. But ask yourself this, do you think there were any voters that live in section 8 housing and receive monthly welfare checks that voted for Romney? Bush won a second term by mailing out tax rebate checks. Who wouldn’t want to get free money? It’s a fact of modern day society. Kids are raised to feel entitled and think only about themselves. And that’s how mommy and daddy vote, thinking about themselves and not what’s good for the country. Look at what happened in Greece. Protests and riots in the streets because they couldn’t get their entitlements. Your entire country is bankrupt and you’re up in arms because you still want your check? Really?
If the actual voting or the will of the people counts for anything, then Obama got elected because he won the majority of the female vote.
It wasn’t section 8 straw men, it was normal people. And it was women that tipped the scale.
But the popular vote doesn’t even mean anything anyway. It makes it so weird to talk about an election when you factor that in.
If I had to guess I’d say that’s probably right. I don’t remember off hand who made the stupid rape comment, but Romney and the party didn’t do anywhere near enough to distance themselves from that. And for some reason they just can’t seem to leave the whole abortion debate alone. Was that even in the top 10 on anyone’s list of concerns for this election? if you’re going to risk alienating a group of voters why do it with an issue that they aren’t really that concerned about?
Basore 2016
There was one from Missouri and one from Indiana. Neither one made any sense.
The Obama campaign manufactured the war on women and it worked.
http://news.msn.com/politics/seven-states-qualify-for-secession-response-from-white-house-3
1/8th of the states have enough signatures to at least get a response.
Are you saying you don’t think that abortion would have been on the top 10 of anyone’s list? Come on, your kidding yourself if you think, no one. Again Im not American and was not part of this vote, but ya, it would have been on my list, among other things like traditional family values. Maybe Im a minority on that, in some peoples eye’s.
There were seven actually, just counting Republican congress people. All seven lost their positions in Congress, not a single one was re-elected. There’s a pic that was making the rounds, all of them and their moronic quotes in one
To be fair, not all of them are indisputably moronic. Just most.
And abortion not top 10? For tons of people, the republican stance on rape/abortion is their number one reason they’d never vote republican. Just like there are lots of people who would never vote democrat because the most important thing in the world to them is being able to stockpile assault rifles. People vote for really absurd reasons.
For what it’s worth, of the small number of women I have seen speaking about their experience with the status quo system after they were raped, they found the Republican Party during this election to be really disgusting. The “rape thing” as the one congressman referred to it, that alone was probably enough to lose them the election.
That was hyperbole, abortion would have to be on everyone’s list since most people couldn’t even come up with ten issues. However, if you read any of the polls abortion was clearly not a priority for the vast majority of Americans. I would like to see actual data that shows how many people feel that abortion is the top priority. I’ll bet it doesn’t amount to many.
Personally I see three comments on that list the I consider offensive. Two that are kind of stupid but no worse than 57 states. And two that don’t belong there at all. And if I’m not mistaken Paul Ryan was reelected. But let’s not worry too much about keeping the facts straight. That’s not on any political agenda.
I agree that rape is a horrible horrible thing and if a woman was to be pregnant as a result of it, This is a hard decision. There are many important people in the world today that were products of rape and many peoples lives made better because of it. There are many people that are standing in lines waiting for a child to adopt as well.
The facts are not openly given to women many times when being faced with abortion. There is the increase chance of breast cancer and other diseases. There are many that for the rest of their lives are in depression from the act of abortion as well. Many other side effects are also confirmed, but most go on thinking it is no big deal to pull a child apart inside you, until after it is done. Many change their minds about the whole thing after the fact.
All Im saying is this, these guy’s may have said some things that could have been put another way, but the fact is this. As soon as anyone says something somebody doesn’t like, all hell breaks loose and you are demonized.
I have followed this tread with curiosity and a wish to learn a little more about how you guys look at politics in your country, and while I have my point of view on what is going wrong in your country I feel I have far too little knowledge about your situation to post comments on it. Anyway, this final post contains a few claims I find upsetting and since no one else seems to disagree with them I have decided write a reply.
First of all cougar2, if I understand you correctly, you say it is a hard decision to make to allow a woman to take an abortion after being raped?? Well, this is not YOUR decision as a man as you are not the one that is pregnant. According to most women it is actually our decision. If men could become pregnant I bet this would not even be a theme for discussion.
You also said that there are many people that are standing in lines waiting for a child to adopt. I’m sorry, but I don’t really see the connection here? Or is it like that you think that it is OK for a woman to carry a rapist’s child for 9 months so someone else can get the child they want so much and that they can’t produce themselves?
Even more upsetting is this: “there are many important people in the world today that were products of rape and many peoples lives made better because of it”.
I am sure there are so please name a few. BTW, If that is the way to look at it, an abortion should be a more logical result as the statistically chances for the child to become an average Joe or a criminal is far higher than that the child should become an important person. I would also encourage you all to read this: The Legitimate Children of Rape | The New Yorker and then let me know if you still think the same.
Regarding the increased chances of breast cancer after an abortion I would suggest that you should try to read a little about the subject as I think you might have been misinformed. I would recommend you to start here: Abortion–breast cancer hypothesis - Wikipedia
For the depression part as a result of abortion; Yeah, I bet most women are far more happy when they have to carry the result of a rape for 9 months . . .
Gry, I will answer your questions, but you have taken some of them wrong.
The hard decision I talked about was not for a man to make any decision but for the woman. Sorry If I didn’t specify this clearly.
For a woman to carry a chilled for 9 months after rape and to put them up for adoption, is totally up to her. Some women would find it hard to kill a part of her, whether this is from rape or not. With the trauma of rape, I would say the numbers are very small that would go full term with a pregnancy, but for those who do, can put them up for adoption and like I said, there are many people who are wanting to adopt. Its an option.
Here are a few examples of individuals that were products of rape.
James and Betty Robison | LIFE Outreach International
Here is the link to the lives he has touched. As an example
Some other individuals are just a few.
Jesse Jackson
Kelly Wright, Fox news Anchor
Sharon Isley Chemist
Kevin Spacey Actor
4) Here are some of the facts I talked about breast Cancer and abortion.
Abortion is huge proponent of these problems. Abortion is unnatural for a woman to kill her own child. Many women have become infertile, ill, or have died from complications of abortion. Those who survive embark on a long journey of denial, sadness, and a host of many other negative experiences.
Im sure there are many that Abortion doesn’t bother them a bit. Im only pointing out that there are some things to consider and some things that people just don’t know. Here is some evidence in where I got my information from. These are women, not men making these statements.
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/index/
Here is the link on that site.
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/biology/index.htm
Im sorry, if I sounded like an idiot, but was not pointing a finger, nor was I demanding. I gave my point of view, in which you don’t have to agree with.
I have given the info you requested, and hope we can agree to disagree on points you stand firm on.
Abortion is one of those subjects that has no easy answer.
Myself, I lean towards Ryan and dont see an issue with his statement except maybe the truth hurts.
I think to try and please all, compromise to be close to a non issue:
Late term, no way unless proven risk of life. The final decision to be the mother or responceable party but only after mandatory classes teaching issues, options, lots of hurdles but also help, child placement etc.most would carry to birth. It could never be a money offer for child, good god look at welfare moms now with a dozen kids in the street and no father or guidance. Getting pregnant just for that bigger check.
I do know someone who chose to abbort young and feels its the worst decision of her life. Now she cannot have children,punishment maybe, and I dont think she has ever gotten over it, 50 now. I think if someone had talked options to her she would have done differant and her life would be so much better .
Continance would be best.I am more or less thinking while writing, of course the education part means another goverment agency and more expence to teach people something that they should know at an age old enough to have sex. I guess it could be addressed better in sex ed at school. That could be looked at as encouragement though I disagree as I just think youngsters should know all possible to make intelligent choices.
That state rep from Wis. Rivard, I think I’d have to wonder about that guy! LOL
Gry, thank you for that post. I want you to know that while it may seem like nobody was disagreeing, that’s not the case. I was disagreeing quite strongly, but keeping it to myself. I am just feeling an increasing need to stay out of this discussion, rather than keep it going. But since you replied, I just wanted to voice support for what you’ve said. And now I will go back to hoping that this thread just fades away!
Yeah I think about this thread too.
When I should be thinking about Cougars.
I like talking politics, not sure why. Never going to change anyones mind.
It’s kind of pointless.
We’re doomed and there is nothing we can do about it. 
Hey Bill, maybe it’s time to make this thread disappear.
Why delete the thread? There have been some good points made and some good discussion too. As long as people stop replying it will fade away naturally. Just seems weird to me to whitewash it.