Jeff Ford @ Autorestomod gets it all wrong

Jeff Ford used to be the Editor at Legendary Ford Magazine until its untimely demise. He wrote the following in the latest email news letter.

AT A Loss…

I’ve been a Cougar fan since the early ‘80s. I’ve actually owned more Cougars than Mustangs. So imagine my surprise when a friend informed me that the Cougar Eliminator pictured went for $132,000. That is serious large for what we in the biz call a “Day Two Car”; aftermarket wheels, exhaust and a little bit of bling—maybe there is suitcase of money in the trunk. Admittedly I don’t know the full story. Maybe the buyer was conceived in one just like (or that very car) or maybe his first real love said “Yes” to his marriage proposal in that car. Or maybe he’d just had too much to drink.

Whatever the case may be, that is SERIOUS you-probably-won’t-get-that-money-back cake for a Cougar. Do I think it’s awesome? For the seller, abso-effing-lootly. And, if I’m honest, I’m happy for the buyer too; as long as he didn’t wake up the morning after and ask the telling question, “Did I buy…a Cougar?” And then faint when he was whispered the price.

Of course it could be that I’m just that out of touch with the whole Cougar sub-culture. Maybe they know something I don’t…or maybe he was drunk…

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/Scottsdale2015-178633

Jeff Ford

Now I like Jeff a lot. I mean here is a real, honest to God, Ford guy with all of this misinformation. And of course I can’t keep my mouth shut so I wrote this reply:

Jeff,

In addition to Legendary Cougar Magazine I also run a site and forum called ClassicCougarCommunity.Com, so I am pretty well in touch with the Cougar space. I am hoping that what you wrote about the Ron Pratt Cougar was an intentional effort to get the Cougar guys riled up and therefore participating in your new venture.

Otherwise, you kind of screwed the pooch. Ron bought that Eliminator at Barrett Jackson in 2007 and paid $128,700 for it. This wasn’t particularly high price for a Cougar. Last year another Eliminator went for $154K. The year before that a standard GT-E brought almost $185K. Most Cougars trade hands in private sales and there have been many transactions that are close to these numbers for rare and desirable Cougars. Of course there were many not so nice cars that sold for less.

I am not trying to scold you, just to update you on the way things have changed since about 2003 or so… It is as surprising to me as anyone else.

The Mustang outsold the Cougar by a factor of almost 10 to 1, so in terms of gross numbers it is a much bigger market. What you have to take into consideration is that a large chunk of that was six cylinder coupes. Those cars are not comparable to what a convertible or fastback Mustang will bring. There were no six cylinder Cougars, and starting in '69 the base engine was the 351. Every engine offered in the Mustang (except the sixes) was also offered in the Cougar (including the Boss 302, however, only 2 Boss 429s were built). The Cougar was also offered with the 427, something no Mustang can claim.

The best way to understand the current Cougar market is to think of it as part of a Mustang continuum that runs from a six cylinder coupe to the Shelby GT-500KR or Boss 429. Sort of a different body style (coupe, convertible, fast back, Cougar). When Mustang guys talk about Cougars they see it more as a luxury Mustang. In the same way that they may prefer the fast back to the coupe they may prefer the Mustang shape to the Cougar, or vice versa. Although the Falcon and the Mustang were about equally related, Mustang guys never associated the two vehicles. Lets be clear, it has not always been this way. What we see is more Mustang guys getting interested in Cougars, the lines have become blurred.

The Eliminators are now selling for about the same money as a Mach 1. The 428CJ Cougars can sometimes run a bit more than the comparable Mustang due to the relative rarity of the Cougar, and the generally higher level of optional content on the Cougar.

Probably the most significant thing happening to the Cougar market is that the bigger multi make collectors now want to add a Cougar to their collections. I believe in part this is because they know the cars are authentic due to the Marti reports (who knew the most popular Camaro in '69 was the Camaro Z28 with cowl induction?)

Give me a call sometime, and if you ever need Cougar information, I would be happy to help.

Excellent reply! Well done.
Mike

Thanks for saving me the time it would have taken to reply, I would not have been as eloquent had i done so… One correction though, if we can claim a boss 429 cougar was built then the mustang crowd can claim a 427 Mustang was technically an option.

Way to set him straight Bill. :thumbup:

I think he (Jeff Ford) could have made similar comments about almost any of the Ron Pratte cars. $500k '67 GT500? Wow!
Were they beautiful cars? YES! But in many cases the prices paid seemed… unbelievable.

Don, The 2 B9 Cougars were built by Ford the same way that all B9 Mustangs were, so that is an apples to oranges comparison as far as the 427.

As to Eliminators, it will be interesting to see what the SDP B2 at Mecum brings tomorrow which is another thing that a lot of the Mustang folks have issue with.
There is also a second B2 Eliminator at Mecum but it is a color change (originally Comp Green.)

I did fudge one other small issue, no Super Cobra Jet in '71.

Jeff is actually a Cougar guy as he says, he is just out of touch with the market right now. Honestly if you weren’t paying attention it would be easy to miss the change. Things did change… Rumor has it that he is going to do a cougar as a future project.

Bill, I have to tell you, that read had me on the edge of my seat! What a great reply!

Wow, the super drag pack eliminator is a beauty.

On a side note, anyone know what the black on black 70 eliminator sold for recently? I know Mike posted a private collector purchased it.

Great response Bill. The Auto Resto Mod guys have some great how to videos on restoration tips. I used a couple tips that were really handy from their seat re-upholstery video they did for a late 60’s Camaro when I redid my front seats for my Cougar. Would be cool to see some videos from them with Cougars.

Yes, great response Bill. Mine would have been something like: “What? Are you some kind of azzhole?!”.

Jeff is actually a really good guy. I’ve conversed with him on a couple of occasions and he has been very cordial and a good source of info. I had an email conversation with him earlier today about his Cougar sale comments and he is actually eyeing a '68 to purchase and fix up on his internet show. He’s just worried that the price will get jacked up on it because of the BJ sale.

Jeff is a good guy and I don’t disagree with much of what he said about that Eliminator. It is a car that is missing a lot of expensive stuff, with aftermarket and incorrect parts all over and under.

When people ask me how the value of a Cougar 428CJ or 427 car compares to a similar year Mustang I always respond that the values of a 428CJ Mustang of the same year is a good parallel. The difference is you will find 30 428CJ Mustangs for sale to every 427 GT-E or 428CJ Cougar that is on the market. If you want to buy a 427 GT-E or 428CJ Cougar you have to be ready to pounce.

I’m always ready to pounce, but that word SCARCITY :wall: always gets in the way. It’s easier to buy a Shelby.

There’s also a really nice blue 428CJ cougar that is selling shortly after the B2 Cougar. Will be interesting to see what these bring. https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=FL0115-207479

Cougars are more rare than Mustangs and for serious collectors, the prospect of having a 1 of say 50 Cougar, is more interesting than having a 1 of 500 Mustang. As the desirability index rises for the Cougar, the limited quantity drives the price. It’s all supply and demand. This is a change from the way things used to be.

For example, Mopars are not necessarily more desirable than the comparable Ford or Chevy but they are much more scarce.

Cougars have had some “public relations” issues almost from the get-go. I think that they confuse quite a lot of car enthusiasts who are not die-hard Cougar fans. Hell, they even confuse some die-hards :smiley:

A strong, authoritative, National Club presence along with magazines like Legendary Cougar and letters like this one from Bill go a long way to address this.

It’s up to us, the “Cougar Police” to keep the flame burning and to keep all the facts and figures straight. Especially with Mercury being gone.

The more people that get educated about the classic Mercury Cougar, the more that interest will grow.

  • Phillip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T3MgIRUwj0

I say, I say, you gots it all wrong son!

And a 70 Ram Air XR 7 Conv selling on Saturday.