Hello, I unfortunately need information again for the restoration of my Cougar! I renewed the timing chain and bought a new timing chain cover because the old one was pretty much corroded on the sealing surface! After installing the new timing chain, I sealed the housing and the new water pump with Permatex Ultra gray and then wanted to install the brackets for the pulleys, air conditioning etc. It turned out that I had to mill off some of the water pump in order to be able to mount the brackets, even though the water pump was ordered exactly for my 351W.
Before installing the engine, I ordered a new Oil Dipstick because the chrome of the old one was damaged. I have now received the Scott Drake C9OZ-6754-A from West Coast Classic but it doesn’t fit into the old or the new timing chain housing. The diameter is too big. In addition, the new oil dip stick is approx. 13.77 inches longer than the chrome-plated one that was in the timing chain housing. The old one is approximately 12.28 inches long. The hole in the new timing chain housing also has a slightly different angle, which is why I could neither mount the old nor the new oil dip stick without having to bend it. I don’t want to drill out the timing chain cover either, since everything is sealed. Can you tell me how long the oil dip stick for the 351W (1969) assembly in the timing chain cover would have to be so that the oil level indicator is correct? The dipstick has a length of approx. 20.9 inches without the handle. Since I had to repair or replace almost every part of the car, I hope that at least the next work will finally go well. Thank you in advance.
Whew, that’s a lot to digest but maybe I can help some.
- The 351w didn’t come with a chrome dipstick so that one is aftermarket that a previous owner added. Shouldn’t be comparing lengths to that one.
- The tube on the 351w/302w is a press in fit and some of them take a good bit of force to get them in. Your C9OZ-6754-A tube is correct for a 69 351w engine. Sand the end of the tube under the flange to get it smooth and no burrs. Sometime I file a lead in on the end of the tube to help get it started. If it’s not going in to hard use a hard piece of plastic on the tube end and drive it in by hammering on the plastic so you don’t damage the end of the tube. If it’s going to hard for that method. Take like a 3/8 open end wrench. Slide the open end over the top of the flange on the tube. Then hammer on the wrench to drive the tube in. Works better with two people. One holding the wrench and tube while the other one does the hammering. One of the above methods should get it pressed in.
- To double check it is accurate. Drain the oil and measure out 6 quarts and re fill with the 6 quarts. Check the oil without starting the engine and it should be at the full mark. If it is to low you can always take a tube cutter and trim some off the top of the tube to make it accurate. If it is above the full mark you’ll have to remark the dipstick which generally isn’t the case.
- Don’t know about the water pump. Is it a stock rebuild replacement or a branded aftermarket for that application. I could see an aftermarket one needing some adjustments.
Here is a picture of a 351w. You can see the dipstick that come out by the air cleaner Intake behind the yellow top coil.
OK, then I’ll do it that way.
I hope that I can then bend the oil dip stick a little so that it fits behind
the ignition coil.
Unfortunately, the hole in the timing chain cover has a “wrong” angle in the
direction of the fan so that the mounting bracket does not fit to the engine block.
The water pump from Gates (43049) was specified as a direct replacement for the 351 and also suitable according to the illustration. The delivered model looked different so that the brackets could not be attached. The timing chain cover from ATP (103109) was also an original replacement and the angle of the hole does not fit here.
In any case, thank you for the quick support!
Oil capacity of a 351W is 5 quarts.
Did you get the correct older style timing chain cover? There are several that can fit, but might not be quite right for the ‘69 351W.
Might take a look at this outside thread:
I know I had issues when I replaced my original timing cover many years ago.
Yes thats the right one with dipstick hole!
Thanks but now I have enough time …
The oil dipstick tube broke during installation, the rest is in the timing chain cover.
I have now removed the oil pan and knocked out the broken piece of the pipe.
Before that …I had sanded off the paint beforehand and tried to knock the pipe in,
because that was quite annoying and I was worried that the timing chain cover would break,
I had sanded off the paint beforehand and tried to tap the pipe in, as that was quite strict
and I was worried that the timing chain cover would break, I sanded the pipe again a little and
placed it in the freezer so that the diameter would be smaller. Then plugged in again and knocked in.
I had to bend it a bit because it didn’t fit to be attached to the fastening thread on Motor and that’s
when it happened.
I have now drilled out the hole a little and will order a new pipe.
It’s like bewitched with the cart.
So far every part has to be repaired or replaced, now there are even problems
with the Exhaust Pipe Stud Kit.
The short threaded part cannot be screwed into the original manifold.
The front part is 7/16 inch, the short part should also be 7/16 inch. The thread looks very flat and
cannot be screwed into the bends even after the thread has been cut.
The threads on the bolts cannot be re-cut are apparently too tough …
I’m going crazy. Almost all parts that have arrived in the last few days cause problems. I think I’m getting old …
To quote Jeff Ford: “it’s never a problem, just a project” or something along those lines 